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Mariner
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Does the world hate us? Your are currently viewing this message
12/21/2006 7:41:47 PM
This is a common theme of debate. So a couple of questions to ponder...

1. Does the world hate us? and...
2. Why?

My Thoughts on the subject.

1. Does the world hate us? Well this is a big question, and I guess it depends on who you ask, and how you define hate. Many countries/peoples of the world seem to like us. Eastern Europe loves us. Most of Western Europe (except maybe for France) like us at the very least. Most of Latin America likes or loves us. Japan, India, S. Korea, Taiwan, Australia, and New Zealand like us. As far as I can see most of the countries in the Middle East hate us, and many Africans are indifferent.

2. Why? First and foremost is jealousy followed perhaps by the fact that we have supported so many corrupt governments around the world over the years. For instance Egypt, and Saudi Arabia are counted as our "Allies" both have governments that are immensely unpopular with the populace. Many in Iran want to be like us, and want to get rid of their government, but feel let down by us, because we let them down by letting their present government come to power in the first place. Over the years, the US has supported many governments that we shouldn't have. This was most likely done for political reasons, not principled ones. Our politicians have always looked for easy ways out rather than taking principled stands. Other reasons that I see from various other regions and countries around the world:

* We have a death penalty
* We do not have universal health care and education
* We refuse to get on board with the Global Warming crowd
* We put our own interests first and refuse to bend to the will of the United Nations
* Religious differences
* And again.... Jealousy. They hate us because of our success and for their own failures to achieve the same. Hence they would like to see us fail so as to elevate their own status.

I'm sure some of you can think of more or feel free to disagree and suggest others.

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Uriel
Posts: 798


Re: Does the world hate us?
12/23/2006 3:19:17 PM
From what I read and hear in the news media, it makes me feel as if the world can''t stand US.
You don''t know how good it is to read your asessment as to how many countries actually do like US.
Its heartwarming to read, Mariner.
:)

MarkyDeSod
Posts: 75


Re: Does the world hate us?
12/24/2006 10:11:42 AM
Here is why they hate us:
1) We go around saying we are the most powerful nation on earth (yet, we cannot even defeat Iraq or Iran, and Saddam is STILL alive!)
2) We show how stupid we are by wasting money on nations that are lead by dictators that steal the money instead of helping the people.
3) Our leaders interfere with the affairs of other countries way too much. Almost 24/7 we are in someone else''s business overseas when we don''t need to be.

This country needs to get a grip and understand that our own political system is not strong, it is very young and weak, and it could self destruct any time now. The US Constitution has holes in it, massive weaknesses and problems. We are not the most powerful nation on earth. If we were powerful, we would have the best schools for our kids, our people would not be fat, we would be having better population growth, we would have secure borders. I could go on and on, but to me this country is obviously getting more screwed up day by day. Things are not getting better right now. New generations are not coming up knowing more than the old. We still do not have a president who understands terrorism, even after all these years(democrat or republican). We keep sending our 18 year olds off to wars concerning philosophical issues we don''t understand. Man, it amazes me how ignorant the people in the United States are becoming. They couldn''t even identify the key reasons the United States has been such a success so far. (Just a hint, it isn''t because we are a Judeo Christian nation). Our nation is teatering between religionism and socialism, and 95% of the people don''t even realize that it is the Capitalist political system that makes this country great. They think the founding fathers are passe, that the constitution says in there ""for the public good"", which they think gives them the right to throw out Capitalism and replace it with Socialism. That sucks, and it is totally totally WRONG. Socialism is dead, just like Communism. I''m sorry but it is. You cannot fix health care with some idiot five-year plan! But you can, by getting the government to stay out of it! These are the same people that brought us the food pyramid, you know, the one that farmers use to fatten cows! Idiots abound.

This country is becoming a cavalcade of Bimbos. The middle ages are not over. The enlightenment never took root.

That being said, the rest of the world is no bed of roses either.
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Re: Re: Does the world hate us?
12/24/2006 3:50:50 PM
Here is why they hate us:

1) We go around saying we are the most powerful nation on earth (yet, we cannot even defeat Iraq or Iran, and Saddam is STILL alive!)

We can easily defeat either, or both if we decided that that''s what we really wanted to do. It''s kind of hard to win when one won''t go out and kill the bad guys.

2) We show how stupid we are by wasting money on nations that are lead by dictators that steal the money instead of helping the people.

That was pretty much where I was going with my assertion that our leaders like to take the easy way out rather than making a principled stand. hence in the past we have supported some pretty shady characters. Hopefully some at least are coming to the realization that this is not in our best LONG TERM interest.

3) Our leaders interfere with the affairs of other countries way too much. Almost 24/7 we are in someone else''s business overseas when we don''t need to be.

Well your being way too general here. It''s always been a fact that there are many factions vying for dominance in the world whether that be military, economic, cultural or whatever. If you don''t get out there and play the field uou will be swept under the rug. And, in the cases where others mean to do us harm ourleaders would be negligent in their duties if they did not get involved. that''s life!

This country needs to get a grip and understand that our own political system is not strong, it is very young and weak, and it could self destruct any time now.

I guess that''s a matter of opinion. But the only way we could self destruct is if we lose sight of our core values.

The US Constitution has holes in it, massive weaknesses and problems.

While it''s not a perfect document. we do allow for it to be amended when we find errors. So far though it is one of the most masterful works of governance in mankind''s history. the big problems that I see are that we have created such a free society that there are those out there who would use our freedoms to destroy the system that allows them to exist in the first place. The Founding Fathers probably never envisioned that such a thing was possible. That is why we, those who inherited this system of governance from our ancestors must take the necessary steps to see that this does not happen.

We are not the most powerful nation on earth. If we were powerful, we would have the best schools for our kids

This has nothing to do with power and everything to do with the breakdown of values. I think that you will find a direct correlation to places that have strong core values and the education provided for their children. In localities where broken families are the norm, so are the schools. Likewise a place that has strong family units probably supports their educational system better.


but to me this country is obviously getting more screwed up day by day. Things are not getting better right now.

This once again brings us full circle to values and beliefs. The whole secular progressive liberal agenda is all about the abandonment of traditional values. It is this abandonment of core values that this country was founded on that will if unchecked cause it''s downfall.

Man, it amazes me how ignorant the people in the United States are becoming.

See the preceding statement on values. Our parents and grandparents would not have as much of a problem figuring out what to do in the world today. They faced hardships and were not afraid to take on challenges to do the right thing, because they had a taste of the alternative. many today have never endured hardship. Hell, Hardship for some is not being able to see the latest American Idol this week. They are oblivious to the fact that if hey do not stand up for things their comfy little lifestyle could one day evaporate... Gone, disappeared, perhaps never in their lifetime to come back..

it is the Capitalist political system that makes this country great. They think the founding fathers are passe, that the constitution says in there ""for the public good"", which they think gives them the right to throw out Capitalism and replace it with Socialism.

The old socialists or communists never went away they just re-invented themselves with new names. Whether it be the ACLU, Code Pink, LULAC, Not in our Name, or militant environmentalists. the goal is still the same they just try to sugar coat things now hoping people won''t notice.

You cannot fix health care with some idiot five-year plan! But you can, by getting the government to stay out of it!

Here I part company with you sort of. Our health care system is out of control because of a runaway legal legal system. I have no problem with someone who is injured being compensated reasonably when they have been wronged. I do however have a BIG problem with people (and lawyers) who regard our legal system as the equivalent of a lottery system to expand their bank accounts. this is wrong and we all pay for allowing this to happen. I''m rather pessimistic that we''ll ever see any reasonable change in this as most politicians are lawyers so the system has built in lobby system tha requires no outside means of support. they are not going to shoot themselves in the foot anytime soon morally responsible or not.
MarkyDeSod
Posts: 75


Re: Re: Re: Does the world hate us?
12/25/2006 12:33:08 AM
but that''s the whole point! We won''t go kill the bad guys! Duh-Duhhh!
STHUYM
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Re: Does the world hate us?
12/24/2006 2:08:24 PM
1. Probably.
2. Who cares?
Mariner
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Re: Re: Does the world hate us?
12/24/2006 3:08:53 PM
1. Probably.
2. Who cares?

Don''t be such a grouch! Just trying to stimulate a little thought and debate here.
STHUYM
Posts: 5


Re: Re: Re: Does the world hate us?
12/24/2006 3:19:12 PM
Not being a grouch, and I appreciate your efforts. Sometimes saying less...is more. Merry Christmas.

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